Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten nerf – it’s all over?


Guardians! The topic we’re discussing today has made a lot of noise in the past few days – and this is what you’d expect to happen. Two of the most powerful PvP hand cannons are going to get nerfed in the next season – but is it actually how it is? Destiny 2 nerfs are something pretty common because it’s the main instrument for balancing the game. It’s okay to nerf some weapons if they are way too strong or buff them if they are way too weak. But the Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten case is a bit different and we, team, are here to clarify some things for you.


All of that has started after the last “This week at Bungie” or TWAB post on 4/25/2019. Bungie has announced upcoming changes on the two pinnacle weapons, that “stand above most other weapons in the sandbox”. All of the upcoming changes are planned to the Season of Opulence.

First of all, Bungie knows that these weapons represent “a significant investment of time and the personal improvement” for the players that have acquired them. So, when they’ve been deciding on tweaking Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten, the main priority was to keep their value on the same level. But enough talking – you came here for the info of Luna’s Howl and NF nerf and we’ll give it to you.

Bungie is planning to make Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten the only 150 RPM precision hand cannons. The next tweak is for the Magnificent Howl perk – it won’t increase critical damage after landing 2 precision hits, but will still increase body damage.

And the last thing you have to know is this statement from Bungie: “Like we do whenever Destiny gameplay evolves, we’ll be watching the conversation starting today on our planned changes. We’ll continue collecting feedback once these changes go live at the beginning of Season of Opulence.” All of that means that these nerfs is not the final version for Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten.


So, did Luna's howl and Not Forgotten get nerfed? Not yet, but they’ll be, a bit. In this part of the article we, team, will try to present you a closer look at these Destiny 2 nerfs. Let’s start with the basics.

As you may already know, all weapons in Destiny 2 works in different ways in terms of PvP and PvE. If we’re talking about PvP, the main measurement here is called TTK – time-to-kill. This number shows how much time it’ll take to kill another Guardian if you’re landing precision shots only. The second parameter is the Optimal Kill which shows how much precision or body shots you need in order to achieve the best TTK possible.

If we’re looking at the 180 RPM versions of Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten, then we have this:

  • TTK: 0.67 seconds
  • Optimal Kill: 3 crit

While every other 180 RPM hand cannon in the game has:

  • TTK: 1 second
  • Optimal Kill: 2 crit 2 body

The closest TTK values belong to the Lightweight Frame hand cannons:

  • TTK: 0.8 seconds
  • Optimal Kill: 3 crit

So there’s basically no other hand cannon in the whole game that can compete with these monsters. Even more than that, if you’ve had your Magnificent Howl activated, the TTK value would’ve changed to 0.33 seconds – that’s a 2 tap kill. And that’s even more terrific on consoles, where aim assistance on hand cannons just sticks your crosshair to the head of your enemies.

Yes, these weapons have to be strong, because you can’t get them if you’re not good enough or don’t have a lot of time to spend in the Crucible (unless you order them from us, obviously). And after obtaining them, you’re becoming even stronger. That’s just too much, don’t you think so? This is why we’re going to get Not Forgotten and Luna’s Howl nerf.

Let‘s take a look at the numbers of updated Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten with 150 RPM:

  • TTK: 0.8 seconds
  • Optimal Kill: 3 crit or 2 crit 1 body

This one looks much more balanced than before, actually. But there are a few moments that you have to keep in mind if you’re worried about these changes. After Luna‘s Howl and Not Forgotten nerf they‘ll become the only 150 RPM precision hand cannons. The only thing, that’ll get worse with this is your rate of fire, but your damage per shot and effective range will increase noticeably. One more detail: the recoil will remain as it was in 180 RPM version, which is much better, then in 150 RPM hand cannons. But most importantly, these weapons will still remain the best hand cannons for the Crucible, because there’s no other hand cannon that can forgive you a missed crit shot and still get you a 3 tap kill. And if Magnificent Howl buff is still active, you’ll probably be able to kill another guardian with 1 crit and 2 body shots! Nothing else in the entire game can allow you to do that.

So, even after the Not Forgotten and Luna’s Howl nerf they still will be the only Crucible monsters out there. Yes, we’ve heard some rumors about some new amazing Crucible pinnacle weapons, but there’s still no confirmed information on this one, so we don't take this into account at the moment.

But what if all of that above isn't enough for you to stay with Luna’s Howl or Not Forgotten? What are the alternatives for them?


Well, if we’re honest, there’s not much choice for you if you’ve decided to replace your pinnacle hand cannon after the Destiny 2 Not Forgotten nerf and the same Luna’s Howl nerf. Picking up another pinnacle weapon is an obvious choice – Recluse and Mountaintop are still quite a viable pick for the Crucible. But there’s one weapon, that’s not that popular nowadays, but as deadly as it was before – it's Redrix Broadsword.

It’s a legendary kinetic pulse rifle with the fastest TTK amongst pulse rifles. It has a high-impact frame, which is the strongest frame in terms of PvP. But the main feature of this weapon is a perk called Desperado – reloading while Outlaw is active increases your rate of fire (without reducing your damage). So, the TTK of this weapon drops from 0.67 to 0.47 with the optimal kill of 2 bursts (6 crits), which is not that hard to hit with pulse rifles.

Obtaining this weapon is quite tough – it takes a lot of time, just like it is with Luna’s Howl and Not Forgotten, but it totally worth it! If you’ll ask what to use with this weapon in the energy slot, we’ll suggest picking some close-range weapon. Recluse or some shotgun will be the best choices to pair with Redrix Broadsword. And just like Luna’s Howl or Not Forgotten, you can order it on our site! Check the information below this article for our best offers.


D2 LH and NF nerf is something that would‘ve happened one day or another. The main point of these changes is that they were the strongest hand cannons and this was too much. After the tweaks, they‘ll remain the strongest, but their dominance will be balanced better – so there’s nothing that terrifying. We hope that this article has helped you a lot with figuring out how all of that will work.

See you later, Guardians!

Let your bullets always find it’s prey.


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